I've edited this page to remove ip and email addresses from the listings. The reason all this information was first included was an illustration of how unsafe you really are on the internet. Whatever you do to someone can return tenfold or better. I hope you got a little taste of how it felt to know all my information business and personal have been plastered all over the internet by some nasties under the guise of "justice". If you think this can't happen to you, think again. It can happen to anyone.In the right hands that kind of information can do a lot of damage. I'm not in the business of providing spammers and other internet nasties with easy pickings, however, even if I do think most of you deserve it.The saddest thing I found in some of this information is that some of you used your workplace internet connections. Does anyone remember what my favorite quote is? If I missed any in the deletions please let me know. I'll remove them immediately upon receipt of notification.
Some number of you decided you knew everything before you knew anything. One said something to the effect that they aren't involved in any legal proceedings. I'm glad I can't comfort them on that point. When people take it upon themselves to harass, defame, and otherwise make another person's life miserable for whatever reason, they can be held accountable for their actions.. This page is dedicated to some of the "gems" left on my personal blog site. There are so many that I can't possibly list them all but I thought I should list some of the "better" ones.
Ah, the wonders of the internet, complete with IP addresses for all the anonymous posters. I wouldn't count on the email addresses being real ones, though.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : IvanaH
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Stephanie, I hope you choke on your own sh!t. You deserve all the bad karma heading your way, you unprofessional twit.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Chrissy
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It takes a special kind of cowardice to both violate the rights of a client AND attempt to profit from the violation.
The nice thing about the writing community is how quickly news spreads, and how sharp its membership is.
Nobody's buying what you're selling.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : b pierce
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Sometimes, a heartfelt apology before an attemped explaination of your side of the facts is enough to calm people down long enough to hear what you have to say. letting your family explain your side of things for you looks like an admission of guilt.
if you really are a business person, you have a sense of timing that could kill a business in a heartbeat. you'll need some stellar work to overcome the illwill that's present towrad you and your businesses. see above re: apology.
I must say I have to agree with this one but I don't believe it's me who owes an apology to anyone... all things considered.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Sassenach
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I continue to be amazed at the 'dumb as a box of rocks' behavior of Stephanie and James. Your 'writing site' is a about as 'comprehensive' as a blank page, and you continue to damage the reputation of your hosting company. Your questionable business paractices are all over the web.
A truly fascinating example of self-destructiveness.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Sheryl Nantus (
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I think it's a good bet that the database was deleted in a hissy fit and now they're scrambling to either rebuild it from a backup (if they even HAVE any backups) and trying to figure out how to cover their behinds.
Professional, this is not.
keeping lawyers waiting isn't a good way to advertise your company as being efficient AND professional - nor does it bode well for potential future business when databases are deleted in juvenile fits and now the coverup begins...
the longer they wait to respond to requests for the database, the more speculation there's going to be... and more damage to their professional rep, what little there is left of it. Especially if it takes a legal writ to get the darned thing handed over, or the mangled remains of it.
cut your losses and run - hand over whatever you have and let AW rebuild - the longer it takes, the worse it's going to get both in the way of speculation regarding the database as well as continued commentary on a variety of sites.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Truthful James E-mail :
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Remember this. It's a bulletin board, for christ's sake. Instead of bemoaning it, work on your writing instead, should any of you actually be serious writers.
I thought this was good advice. Pity no one took it.
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New pingback on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Website: Peregrinas » Absolute Write got their forum database back
URI : http://www.lmashton.com/2006/06/492
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[...] [...] On Stephanie’s thread, there are comments from Stephanie and James C, the two owners of JC Hosting, the hosting company that held the AW forum databases hostage for, what, nine? ten? days. Oh good domain hosters they are. [/sarcasm] Read the comments - that’s where all the fun is, including logic holes on Stephanie and James’s side big enough to drive a galaxy through. [...] [...]
*sarcasm* Another wonderfully slamming site. *end sarcasm*
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Lynn
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Because until the forum databases are back, it isn't back.
Look, you have a significant percentage of seven thousand people who want this stuff. Give it up, make a copy and walk away. And I'm betting very few people will bother you after that.
Pity I didn't take you up on that. You would have lost.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Roger J. Carlson E-mail :
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Tired of Hearing About it Says:
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:34 am
http://www.rogerjcarlson.com/Forum/writerforum/default.asp
The refuge board has 348 registered members. I’m not sure if that board had members previous to becoming an AW holding cell, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. This is a far cry from 7,000 and probably much more reflective of reality. One-thousand, maybe even 2 or 3 thousand people might have even noticed the AW boards were down on a good day, but you’ll have a hard time convincing me the numbers were much higher than that.
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For someone who's tired of hearing about it, you certainly have a lot to say. At least I'm not hiding behind an alias.
I am Roger J. Carlson of RogerJCarlson.com. On the day JC Hosting pulled the plug on AbsoluteWrite, there was exactly 1 active member on my forum...me. In less than a week, over 300 people found a website that virtually none had heard of the week before. I find that a remarkable number.
I was/am/willbe a Moderator on AW and I once checked the membership statistics. There were indeed 7000 registered users. About half had zero posts. Of those that posted, roughly 1000 had 50 or more posts.
However, number of posts cannot accurately represent the number of active members. Quite a few members of the Refugee Camp said they had only lurked on AW and never posted. So there could have been many who used the valuable information the site contained. No one will ever be able to say. But it is certainly more than the 300 that registered on my forum.
You call my forums a "holding cell". I called it a Refugee Camp, because that's what we were, refugees turned out of our home on 1 hours notice. Absolute Write Watercooler was more than just a message board to us. It was a community and when any community is destroyed, it causes harm to its members. So good of you to sympathize.
This is one of those sites where you can find some nice lovely physical threats against our persons if they haven't deleted them all.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : robeiae E-mail :
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Mark A. York said:
"Ad numerum fallacy in full play on your part. Look it up."
Ooooo, fallacies of argument! Fun stuff:
"As one who writes nonfiction, what are your qualifications for writing about space travel even as a fictional topic?" --ad verecundiam
"Lee Goldberg has more big authors on a slow day to add to the last frustrated guy’s theme. It’s a fact." --ad numerum (really it's ad populum, since it concerns people; the same is true for your use of ad numerum)
"Oh I don’t know, I found a thread by Angela Hoy, an exchange with Jenna that was quite enlightening. I have one of my own too, and since this nice bunch has gotten me banned from AW a long time ago, and now from Making Light this less than angelic take rings true with this reader." --ad antiquitam and the lonely fact fallacy
"They aren’t all ex-PA authors, but most are."
--a fallacy of statistical sampling
"I’ve never found a copy of any of their books in a store on either coast aside from Victoria’s." --a fallacy of the negative proof
"He hung his head while I was drummed out and shot over nothing." --a fallacy of figures resting chiefly on hyperbole
"They all have a party line; cross it, and poof."
--again, a fallacy of figures and a reductive fallacy
"Newbies have a thin skin and disagreement over tone will happen instantly as I’ve just proven again with the latest public stoning at ML." --ad nauseam?
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Carolyn
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You've got some nerve lady.
Read this: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/007577.html#007577
How dare you? You gutless worm.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
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Stephanie, the las par. makes no sense whatsoever, so, no response there.
You story has changed so many times, I've got a headache, now. I'm surprised you're able to keep up w/ it. How you've been able to track all the lies, I don't know. You must be keeping awfully good notes.
At this point, I don't know what to wish you, so, I'll wish you nothing. And I will leave it there.
The new forum is not quite up, yet.
What you fail to realize is, that AW is not a message board, it is a community of people, individuals. Many of these have met in person, while others correspond via phone, letters and email. Lifelong bonds have been formed as a result of AW's community, that is where the strength lies. That is why the forum will always be there.
During the downtime, I've found it fascinating and ugly to watch the jealousy of that very strength surface in various corners of the net. In some areas, people have shown that their true colors, their blindness to the point that they're unable to see the forest through the trees.
Our story has never changed. I wish people would learn how to read before claiming to be writers.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
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James, world over reputation you have? I find that difficult to believe. Honestly. If it's bad, I don't. Holding a database hostage is honorable? The right thing to do in the business world? Hardly.
I was in business for years, multi-million dollar contracts I dealt w/ in an industry I'm not privy to discuss. I never acted the way you and your wife did. Never. It's unacceptable behaviour, that's why. You do not withhold data, of any kind that does not belong to you, for any length of time. You made a snide comment toward Jenna's counsel (proper spelling, btw), where on earth did you find yours? Wal-Mart?
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : JM E-mail :
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"I’ll see y’all in court." Meaning what, Stephanie? I've done nothing wrong. Is that supposed to be a threat of some kind? Veiled or otherwise, it's an empty one. An unsubstanstiated one, at best.
I've not done any name-calling, either. Stephanie, you and James have all but called Jenna a liar, though. Whereas, most of us have asked questions, which remain unanswered. You've both been unable to keep your stories straight.
For obvious reasons you were helping AW out, you're a member. Unfortunately, some of the help you were giving, you weren't relaying in entirety to your husband--the businessman. Communication, in any relationship, is essential. Possibly, you've learned that, now. Everyone makes mistakes, the true maturity is in owning up to those mistakes.
Returning the database, James, from get-go and moving on would have been a sign of solid business practices. The rest of whatever, should have been hashed out behind the scenes w/o the involvement of the membership of AW or any other part of the net. If you had done so, this would have been over and done, w/ none of this back and forth bickering. It's sad and completely unnecessary. There never should have been "sides" to take, or lines drawn. The ball was in your court, from the beginning, and you made a bad choice, for whatever reason(s).
Shame.
I explained this one before. You involved yourselves when you took it upon yourselves to do what you've done on my blog and countless other sites.
Ummm... I didn't call anyone anything. I just disagreed with the "facts" that were being circulated. On the other hand, we've been called so many names it's pathetic... including "bald faced liar" by one MacAllister who is an employee of Absolute Write. Now, regardless of the payscale, the person is a moderator and is an employee much the same as a volunteer would be considered such in a nonprofit organization. Yes, I helped out. I bent over backward to help keep that site running. But... when an issue mattered to me and had potential liability for my business, I was told I was stupid and ridiculous for caring about anything but that site. We had to make a business decision to safeguard ourselves. We knew no one else would care about our liabilities but us and other customers who depended on their service. As far as the database... well... It might have been accessed a lot sooner if the site owner hadn't decided that a lawyer trying to bully us would work better, in addition to hours spent making sure the server hadn't been compromised when someone attempted to gain illegal shell access.
I agree. It is indeed a shame but whose shame?
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
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I have a question. Can the ISP owner tell how many members AW actually had? Was it 7,000? The membership count was actually somewhere above 7700. Those will be registered members regardless of how many are still active at any given time. It's one way huge sites sell advertising... the larger the community looks the more it can charge for advertising. There is no way of telling how many of that number remain active without looking at the stats and matching IPs to memberships and posts.
Another thing I'd like to know about these types of boards is whether or not the mods can read PMs? If they have access to the databases, yes, they can.
O.K. another question. Then I'll leave. Why wasn't AW backing up its own files and if they weren't, why weren't the individuals doing so? Some people on other boards claim they are going to sue because their very important work was lost. Why was the only copy left on a website? Websites crash all the time. Servers blow, a virus can delete it. Good questions. I wonder about some of that, too. In the communications from the site owner's lawyer, he called it her Intellectual Property, yet, there are at least dozens of emails claiming that the site is others' Intellectual Property. You'd think someone so concerned would have better safeguards in place to protect the Intellectual Property.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
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Guess you're short on comprehension, Reborn, the answer to the pm ? is no, the mods cannot read them.
Stephanie has left this comment forum open, no? Therefore, no hijacking is involved. Making Light has done the same, they've welcomed AW, in fact. Any other forums you may be referring to, I'm not aware of. Other than Roger's, of course; he's set that up for AW members as well.
As to whether or not Stephanie and her husband will or will not be banned, how would I know. Jenna owns AW--it's her decision, and hers alone.
AW's membership numbers are listed at the bottom of the main board. When it's up and running, go and look. There's nothing hidden.
I'm a bit uncertain of your attitude as I've not been fresh to you, Reborn.
As to backing up data, again, how would I know, I'm not the owner of AW. Regardless, it does not excuse not turning over the database by JC Hosting.
As to the reference to Making Light welcoming you, I wonder if that would still be the case if you were over there doing to that person what you did here. As for the rest, I could care less whether I'm banned or not. In fact, my preference would be to be stricken from the membership and every post I've ever made deleted as well. However, I doubt the last part will happen for a couple of reasons. One, it would be rather hard to keep ridiculing me if everything was taken off the boards. Secondly, others might follow suit and ask for their memberships to be removed. That wouldn't look so good for the business, would it?
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Roger J Carlson
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Reborn asked:
"O.K. another question. Then I’ll leave. Why wasn’t AW backing up its own files and if they weren’t, why weren’t the individuals doing so? Some people on other boards claim they are going to sue because their very important work was lost. Why was the only copy left on a website? Websites crash all the time. Servers blow, a virus can delete it."
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Backing up servers is the hosting company's job. It's one of the things the hosting company is paid to do. The people that own the servers do the backups. This is because they have direct access to the servers. Can you imagine trying to back up a 2 Gigabyte database across an internet connection? I can't. But the webhost has high-speed tape backup systems connected to the servers.
If JC Hosting does not, then they are a bad webhost.
My webhost (Webhost4life) backs up all of its servers every night. Follow this link:
http://www.webhost4life.com/hosting.asp
At the bottom of the page, you will see that they do daily backups. They *do* encourage you to do your own backup, because they will charge you to restore from tape. However, that's just if it happens through some fault of your own, i.e. you deleted the database by accident or something.
When a server crashes as a result hardware or systems software failure, the webhost is responsible for restoring the file. Several months ago, my site went down because of server failure and they restored it from their backups at no charge.
In hind sight (a wonderful thing), AW should have been backing up the database themselves. Normally, you back up a database to protect from corruption or other hardware or software failures. It never occurred to them that they would have to protect their data FROM THEIR OWN WEBHOST
Who said we didn't have backups? The real question in all this is: Why didn't the site owner have a backup if the site owner was going to crap on the people who did? Given the circumstances why should any hosting company give a damn whether the owner had a backup?
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Gerald Patten
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Reborn Says:
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:14 pm
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I asked if the mods were able to read them. Is that plain enough or do you need it reworded? You know, this isn’t your house. AW has hijacked forums all over the net and you’re trashing this company and others you don’t like there, so why come here? AW would NEVER allow this on their boards, would they? We can assume Stephanie and her husband will be banned.
I guess we’ll never know what AW’s membership really is, will we? You didn’t respond to my questions about backing up data. Don’t you know the answers? Magic 8 Ball die?
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Reborn,
Stephanie and her husband admitted they opened this blog for comments from the AW community and I think they mentioned they did it so to lure the AW community into this type of discussion; I believe Stephanie and her husband mentioned they were taking down names and email address for legal purposes. Is that not clear enough an invite?
As to hijacking forums all over the net...??? What forums?
That me be, because we’ve been members, or that we were invited.
As to how many members and questions about ‘Backup’, you’ll need to run around AW when it is up and running and find the wizard who wears the pin-on tag, I’m keeper of ‘Membership’, or keeper of ‘Backup’. Was that a soup question?
No. What I said was:
NO... this blog has always been open... I just refuse to have you all force to me close it to comments because you feel like coming here and bashing me.
However, I did close it later because I became so sickened that I couldn't take anymore. Yeah... I wimped out, but not without reason.
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New comment on your post #26 "Rising from the ashes."
Author : Christine E-mail :
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OMG, the change in story is enough to give one whiplash. First (and I know someone has a screenshot) JC claimed that BB gave them a call, something about violating her rights, defamation or whatever. Don't tell me I didn't read that. Blah, blah, blah, Jenna defends the posters' right to tell their story. Refuses to take it down.
Then comes this nonsense about not knowing who owed the site. Oh, that's SO professeional - you keep up with all your clients that much?
THEN it's the "oh, we gave her so much stuff for free"... who asked you to? It's nice that you did that, but as with many things, don't expect a pat on the back. If you really wanted compensation for it, you should have sent Jenna a bill for the extras.
NOW there's this crap about bandwidth and overages and unpaid bills. If there were any, I'm certain Jenna would have paid them - she's a professional after all. Unless YOU failed to live up to your end of the contract, which would give her the right to withhold payment. (not saying this happened, just as an example of why she might not have paid)
You really need to get it all straight before Jenna's counsel gets a hold of you. If it's who I think it is, you're in BIG trouble.
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